Your Work, Outside of Work

2011 July 26
by Grace Boyle

Last week I read this post, What do you do when you’re not working? from Chris Marks. Chris is a venture capitalist here in Boulder. He is on the board of Lijit and Kapost (where I work now, and where I used to work for 3 years) so as I’ve grown to know him I also greatly respect his work, knowledge and ideas.

His post stuck with me and I found myself going back to it, reading it, agreeing and taking mental notes.

He is emphasizing how important a life and passion outside of work is. Yes, he’s a VC investing in companies in which he likes to see the employees explore their hobbies and passion. You can’t just leave work the only thing you do.

Building a team is so important for early stage companies. Success or failure often depends on how management interacts with one another, and how they lead the rest of the growing employee base. They must be able to communicate with their colleagues, and relate to them both professionally and personally. I have found it remarkably difficult to connect with someone who can only talk about work (or only wants to).

Most of the successful entrepreneurs that I have worked with have something, other than their the company,  that they are passionate about.  Whether it is something as intense as flying planes or racing cars (remarkably popular pastimes for risk tolerant  founders) or something as routine as collecting wine, early stage entrepreneurs almost always need outlets for their passion.  It is usually why they have started a company in the first place.

If people don’t have outlets for their passion, then they probably don’t need outlets.  If they don’t need outlets, then they probably aren’t wired for the start-up environment . If they are not wired for the start-up environment, then they will probably have trouble adapting to the culture and their colleagues. This is not to suggest that employees need to share the same passions — only that it helps to have some.

That is why, when I meet with prospective hires (either my own or within the portfolio), I always ask what the person does when they are not working. The question is usually met with a sigh of relief and a very relaxed answer.  More often than not, it is the most telling part of the conversation.

This is refreshing.

This is 2011 and companies that don’t accept this way of thinking (in my opinion) will leave their employees feeling tired and overwhelmed. It doesn’t breed longevity or success.

I remember writing about US News and World Report about “Workplace No No’s” where I said, they’re really “Doesn’t Matters” that included don’t share your blog URL, your next vacation or your adorable pets with your co-workers. Incredulous.

It is so backwards and I basically do the opposite of their suggestion which is why Chris’ post resonated with me so much.

Overworked doesn’t equal productivity:

Dave Gilson recently wrote an incredible piece, filled with infographics in Mother Jones on how overworked America is. He echoes how is this hardly something to be proud of. Agreed.

Call me an idealist, maybe it’s my Generation, but I cannot imagine working for a company that asks you to be one dimensional and doesn’t care to look beyond what you’re doing at your desk just during the day. Where’s the dynamism there?

Studies show that vacation and building a robust life and activity-level outside of work increase productivity and makes for happier employees, which translates to strong teams.

This has nothing to do with your level of work-ethic, it has everything to do with a balanced and happy individual who ends up performing better.

How You Hire:

Zappos CEO, Tony Hsieh hires on “weirdness” and the focus is to “create fun.” In a feature from the New York Times he emphasized his first company, LinkExchange was all about work, work, work. He dreaded going into work each day and there was nothing outside of work. With Zappos, he promised to never make the same mistake and he believes in creating company culture as one of his top priorities. As part of his interview process he asks them questions around core values, that are mostly, not work related.

Result? Zappos is notorious for one of America’s best company culture and for treating their employees well.

Going Beyond:

Both at Lijit and Kapost, I am good friends with my co-workers. We’re friends outside of work. We take time to enjoy a beer together, treat each other with respect and also have fun. I knew/know everyone’s interests, their family and loved ones and I have fun at work. Seriously.

The precedence is set.

This included company outings, long talks over company happy hours and recently with Kapost, the whole crew (and our families, significant others, spouses, etc.) headed up to the mountains for a retreat all together. We didn’t work while we were up in the mountains. We laughed, we cooked, we drank homemade margaritas, we hiked and hung out together. Kicked it.

Kapost Retreat

There is a lot about getting to know someone which is why I love how Gary Vaynerchuk says, “You know where the real business gets down? Not over a stuffy board table, but over wings at a bar.”

I was hired over beers with Kapost’s co-founder, Toby. I joked, “Do you need to see my resume?” Note: it was never exchanged.

It was unanimous – my work, the great people that knew me and knew Kapost (recommendations hold weight) and experience was known from board members and the current team. And of course, over beers, we talked business but also about meditation, where I came from, Toby’s family, our mutual desire to create an invigorating culture and how we loved Boulder.

My cousin, who recently moved here from NYC told her brother (my cousin) excitedly about my new job, “It’s so awesome. They’re really cool, she has a good view and Matt, she wears jean shorts to work!”

Can you express yourself at work? Do you feel held back to not enjoy the hobbies and interests you have beyond work?

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  • http://blog.dshan.me Derek

    Our first hiring questions are usually “what’d you have for lunch?” and “what do you do when you’re not being paid to do stuff?”

    If things progress, the kicker question is “what’s your dream job? if you could write your own job description, what would it say?”

    We’re trying to create positions based on the people we hire, not hire people for positions we’ve created. Our belief is that people are more productive and happy if they’re working on the things that get them excited, touch on their passions and particular skill sets, and transcend the boundaries that job descriptions often impress on jobs. 

    I think Marks’ is spot on when it comes to entrepreneurs and startup minded folk; they’re bursting with passion and geekiness about whatever it is that gets their mind and heartbeat racing. They’re engaged with life, and they dive into things and get their hands dirty. When you’ve created outlets for your passions, you’ve entered a mode in which the tasks of getting things done doesn’t feel like work, and you understand that getting those things done is critical to the mission. “Work” becomes less of a job and more of a process you’ve chosen to be a part of. There’s nothing better than sitting in a meeting with our team and talking about what’s on the horizon, and watching everyone quickly identify the ‘stuff’ that needs to get done and volunteer to tackle pieces of the effort with confidence and drive. 

  • http://www.ryanjknapp.com/blog/about/ Ryan Knapp

    Excellent read Grace. Thanks for sharing it. I love having the opportunity to work in soccer, doing what I love, but then working on some trail/ultra running projects at night, along with taking pictures and doing whatever else inspires me at that point in time. 

    A lot of the time what I learn and encounter when I’m not working on my job helps me during my job! 

  • http://www.ryanjknapp.com/blog/about/ Ryan Knapp

    Excellent read Grace. Thanks for sharing it. I love having the opportunity to work in soccer, doing what I love, but then working on some trail/ultra running projects at night, along with taking pictures and doing whatever else inspires me at that point in time. 

    A lot of the time what I learn and encounter when I’m not working on my job helps me during my job! 

  • http://parisianfeline.wordpress.com Tatiana

    I think this would be a great mentality for employers to have because now there are companies openly discriminating against people who aren’t currently employed. When you’re job hunting, the racial and sexual prejudices are there and can make job hunting even worse. If many more companies – not just corporate jobs but (especially) retail and fast-food – used this method, it’d be easier to determine who was a good fit. (And I think make interviews ten times shorter!)

    Interview questions are designed in such a way that you can lie and even fake personality character traits. If someone asks me if I’m detail oriented, I can say yes and simply mimic the behavior the boss is looking for. This is one of the higher points of inauthenticity, but with very little information of substance that employers use to gauge candidates, I think this happens a lot more than you’d think. I think that while this behavior can lead to eventual job unhappiness, it’s also the fastest way to get the job. And I think this is a behavior that is becoming really commonplace as people begin to fight for any position to help make money. 

    Right now, a lot of the burden of the job hunt is saddled onto the job seeker (specifically the unemployed) while companies continue to use archaic methods to hire people. While I don’t think a background check is unreasonable, I think a personality test is. Am I good fit? Would I work well with the people there? Do we have the same goals and ideas of the future? 

    These are pertinent questions to ask. :] 

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    I love that Derek! Great questions. I really respect your ideas and think you’re right on track to building something superior. I would love a post about your hiring practices :) Thanks for sharing.

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    Thanks, Ryan! It all comes full circle, doesn’t it? Furthermore, it adds a fun edge to the daily work life because you’re able to tell stories, share and also create different personalities.

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    Tatiana, great points as always. In my opinion and part of this post is that you don’t need the typical interview questions. They’re bullshit. I think getting to the core of who someone is and their specific skillset doesn’t involve those questions that are pretty narrow.

    I think meeting someone especially for a coffee, drink or even a meal really shows you A LOT about the person. Meet on neutral territory, get to know them. That is how many people hire these days. Finally, the things that we thought mattered (GPA, even a college degree in some cases) don’t always hold as much weight as before. I’m glad I’m in an industry that cares about who I am, as much as what I can GET done.

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    Tatiana, great points as always. In my opinion and part of this post is that you don’t need the typical interview questions. They’re bullshit. I think getting to the core of who someone is and their specific skillset doesn’t involve those questions that are pretty narrow.

    I think meeting someone especially for a coffee, drink or even a meal really shows you A LOT about the person. Meet on neutral territory, get to know them. That is how many people hire these days. Finally, the things that we thought mattered (GPA, even a college degree in some cases) don’t always hold as much weight as before. I’m glad I’m in an industry that cares about who I am, as much as what I can GET done.

  • http://parisianfeline.wordpress.com Tatiana

    Ah, thanks! I love your posts. Always make me think. 

    That seems like such an ideal world – where I can meet someone at Starbucks and we sit and chat. Because that’s what we’d do at work, right? Oh! And embracing a more casual dress culture (that would be amazing!). I wonder why more employers haven’t thought about this! It seems so self-evident. You learn about the candidate, and get a gauge for how well you’ll fit together, and their skills. 

    But this is doubly interesting because I read an article recently about how more people are aiming to get MAs because the barometer is getting higher for hiring qualifications. Even though we’re still faced with the same song, different verse. We need to revolutionize our relationship to interviewing and employer/employee relations. 

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    Well thank you :) I always appreciate your insight and support. Really! Thank YOU.

    I think it depends on what industry you’re in. I won’t work at a company (rather, I never have) that doesn’t embrace individuality or have a wonderful culture. It’s just as important to me. And these days, it’s more common and not so outlandish. Your clothing has nothing to do with your level of getting work done.

  • http://ryanstephensmarketing.com/blog/ ryanstephens

    I’m late to this party, but great stuff Grace! After two not-so-great work experiences (co-workers were great, bosses were a joke), I’m approaching my 1 year mark with MD Anderson and I couldn’t be happier. Our VP scolds people who don’t use their vacation days, ensures we have quarterly outings (we go eat, bowl, go to a ball game, etc.) and encourages to happy hour with one another after a long day or week.

    Our office is very diverse in that it represents all nationalities and all ages despite being a relatively small team (14-16), yet we all get along great and work well with each other. There’s runners, gardeners, parents, craftswomen, we have it all and when deliverables aren’t due we’re encouraged to get out of the office by 5:30ish to go pursue those things.

    All that equates to a phenomenal work environment so your post is spot on!

  • http://www.smallhandsbigideas.com Grace Boyle

    Never too late : )

    I love hearing that. It saddens me that a work environment, where we spend most of our time, would be so sour, mean and uninspiring. I can’t imagine it any other way. As we’re getting ready to expand our small startup, the first thing we say is if they would fit culturally or not. The person is so important. Thanks for sharing and glad to hear you’re loving the job!